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Mike Krehel	I received an email today from a gentleman that was interested in a link on our site. Click here to read about the product. ------------------ Mike Krehel ProwlerOnline.com Click and see me go! Watch me light em up!
Catwoman	Thanks Mike! This looks pretty interesting....
dpena	Thanks Mike!!
ALLEY CAT	Mike - your thoughts on this product??? thanks, AC
cnote6	Mike - your thoughts on this product??? thanks, Chris
Gary C	Mike - your thoughts on this product??? thanks, Gary
TLRandall	A/C - Your thoughts on Mike's thoughts on this product??? ------------------ 2001 Mulholland Edition Prowler 2001 King Ranch Edition Ford F-150
Laddie Roussel	I called the sales # this morning and spoke with someone named Dave. He said they are working on a system for the Prowler. He said they are testing it on a Kat somewhere in South Texas. The technical person working on the design and testing is out until next Tuesday. He said initially they had replaced all the water and coolant with the NPG+ and had positive results. However, they wanted to go further and are developing a system including a radiator and not sure what all else...I did mention that a few of the CA guys had tried new radiators and not sure that helped that much. He said there are lots of factors and the design and capacity along with other things have to be considered. The technical person would be the one that could provide all the answers. He said Evans should have more information next week and I should call the back than and talk with the tech person... Very helpful on the phone. So, I'll call back next week... ------------------ This message has been edited by Laddie Roussel on 06-20-2003 at 09:08 AM
cnote6	TLRandall you thoughts of A/C thoughts on Mike's thoughts on this product???
davidn	Mike - your thoughts on this product??? thanks, Neko
YELLER CAT	I just ordered some... one way to find out if it really works is here in South Florida. Jay
TLRandall	cnote-6 - If I thought of A/C's thoughts, I'd probably get arrested!
Mike Krehel	My thoughts?
Catwoman	Mike, I was serious when I said thanks.....and Laddie, I really appreciate you posting your conversation with Dave. I'm checking with some of my "racing" friends and am seriously interested in this stuff. I haven't tried "Wetter Water" or whatever that additive is but we definitely need something here in AZ. When it's 118* outside anyway, the car is going to need any help possible. Otherwise, we'll be replacing radiators every other year. If this can be used in our current systems without modification, I'd sure be interested in trying it. Debbie
cnote6	quote: Originally posted by TLRandall: cnote-6 - If I thought of A/C's thoughts, I'd probably get arrested! LOL!!!!
Dale Beaman	Sure Lotta of Thinking Going on Here!
Larry Lord	From the Evans website: **************************************** THE BENEFITS OF EVANS NPG COOLANT FOR PASSENGER CAR ENGINES INCREASES POWER PROTECTS FROM BOIL-OVER IMPROVES FUEL ECONOMY PROVIDES LOW, OR NO-PRESSURE SYSTEM ELIMINATES SYSTEM SCALING ELIMINATES CORROSION REDUCES DETONATION ELIMINATES PUMP CAVITATION REDUCES EMISSIONS LENGTHENS LIFE OF ENGINE EXTENDS RADIATOR LIFE LIFE OF ENGINE COOLANT - 500,000 MILES LENGTHENS LIFE OF COOLANT PUMP PROLONGS HOSE LIFE LOWERS MAINTENANCE COST LESS ENGINE NOISE ESSENTIALLY NON - TOXIC ****************************************** Just because something doesn't boil, doesn't mean it cools better than a standard coolant. I see nothing in the "benefits" stating that it cools better or even as good as standard coolant. I also strongly question their claims of better mileage, more power and reduced emissions by changing coolant. Am I missing something here or is this just another ad for snake oil or items like the electric supercharger, performance chip and fuel line magnets? ------------------ Larry (Cruise Control) Lord Larry@FMBbox.com Products for your Prowler and Trailer: Upright Trailer Storage Stands - Trailer Latch Reinforcement Kits - KatRack Stowable Cargo Carriers - Pro-Strap Velcro Tie Straps - Keyed Alike Chrome Locksets - Deck Lid Hinge Protectors - Chrome Hitch Covers - Chrome Receiver Locks - Chrome Coupler Locks
Gary C	The gray area's that people missed is the higher boiling point . which great ONLY if the bullets can handle runniNG WAY HOTTER, I tell you the vents in the my hood is the answer, 3 sharp mark and no hotter, this car has always been at 1:30 mark. WATER Wetter is the best, it's works,,, ------------------ HiBoy by Prowler Products
ALLEY CAT	quote: Originally posted by TLRandall: cnote-6 - If I thought of A/C's thoughts, I'd probably get arrested! T-Rex - You have joined Ed and PK, and have been removed off my x-mas card list May the Texas Rangers take away your badge.
Marty Usher	quote: Originally posted by Larry Lord: Just because something doesn't boil, doesn't mean it cools better than a standard coolant. I see nothing in the "benefits" stating that it cools better or even as good as standard coolant. I also strongly question their claims of better mileage, more power and reduced emissions by changing coolant. Am I missing something here or is this just another ad for snake oil or items like the electric supercharger, performance chip and fuel line magnets? Larry - here is text copied from another page of their web site explaining why they state it improves performance and mileage. Do you disagree that engines can be more effiecent and perform better if operating at higher temperatures? My (unfortunate) experiences have been that my cars have on occassion run fastest JUST before something breaks on them. If the engibne could perform at these levels WITHOUT breaking, I can see that the performance may be improved. "Engines have the capacity of operating at much higher efficiencies which lead to higher power production. The limiting factor has always been the conditions imposed by water-based coolants, including low boiling point and excessive vapor generation. These conditions cause localized coolant boiling, vapor blanketing at hot spots and the resultant destructive detonation and pre-ignition. In some applications, coolant alone will improve fuel economy and reduce emissions; in others simple mechanical modifications may be required. When vapor blankets the surface, water-based coolants lose their ability to absorb heat from the hot spots in the combustion chambers, leading to high metal temperature spikes well above critical levels. The result is loss of power from detonation or component structural failure from pre-ignition in the form of piston damage, head gasket failure, and/or warped or cracked heads. Water-based coolant is operated near its boiling point. Cylinder liner cavitation erosion is caused by vibration-induced high frequency pressure changes at the metal-coolant interface. Coolant, near its boiling point, makes vapor bubbles that abruptly collapse against the metal surface, causing erosion of the metal. EVANS NPG Coolant contains no water and is not operated near its boiling point. The boiling point of EVANS (non-aqueous propylene glycol) NPG Coolant is 370 degrees F in a non- or low-pressurized system. The coolant is normally controlled at conventional temperatures but functions perfectly well at higher temperatures, even considerably higher temperatures. Detonation/pre-ignition control and previously forbidden combustion chamber pressures and temperatures are no longer the danger they were to thermal engine efficiency and durability." Also - I agree with your opinion on the fuel line magnets and the advertised claims of untested performance chips and electric superchargers. I think the key to this is the untested claims. Companies need to do dyno runs and real world tests before making "matter of fact claims" in thier advetising. Happy Prowling Marty Oh yeah - Cnote, why do you care what TLRandall thinks of A/C thoughts on Mike's thoughts on this product??? Next.... ------------------ 2000 Black with hand painted blue faded to purple flames This message has been edited by Marty Usher on 06-21-2003 at 10:10 AM
cnote6	quote: Originally posted by Marty Usher: Larry - here is text copied from another page of their web site explaining why they state it improves performance and mileage. Do you disagree that engines can be more effiecent and perform better if operating at higher temperatures? My (unfortunate) experiences have been that my cars have on occassion run fastest JUST before something breaks on them. If the engibne could perform at these levels WITHOUT breaking, I can see that the performance may be improved. "Engines have the capacity of operating at much higher efficiencies which lead to higher power production. The limiting factor has always been the conditions imposed by water-based coolants, including low boiling point and excessive vapor generation. These conditions cause localized coolant boiling, vapor blanketing at hot spots and the resultant destructive detonation and pre-ignition. In some applications, coolant alone will improve fuel economy and reduce emissions; in others simple mechanical modifications may be required. When vapor blankets the surface, water-based coolants lose their ability to absorb heat from the hot spots in the combustion chambers, leading to high metal temperature spikes well above critical levels. The result is loss of power from detonation or component structural failure from pre-ignition in the form of piston damage, head gasket failure, and/or warped or cracked heads. Water-based coolant is operated near its boiling point. Cylinder liner cavitation erosion is caused by vibration-induced high frequency pressure changes at the metal-coolant interface. Coolant, near its boiling point, makes vapor bubbles that abruptly collapse against the metal surface, causing erosion of the metal. EVANS NPG Coolant contains no water and is not operated near its boiling point. The boiling point of EVANS (non-aqueous propylene glycol) NPG Coolant is 370 degrees F in a non- or low-pressurized system. The coolant is normally controlled at conventional temperatures but functions perfectly well at higher temperatures, even considerably higher temperatures. Detonation/pre-ignition control and previously forbidden combustion chamber pressures and temperatures are no longer the danger they were to thermal engine efficiency and durability." Also - I agree with your opinion on the fuel line magnets and the advertised claims of untested performance chips and electric superchargers. I think the key to this is the untested claims. Companies need to do dyno runs and real world tests before making "matter of fact claims" in thier advetising. Happy Prowling Marty Oh yeah - Cnote, why do you care what TLRandall thinks of A/C thoughts on Mike's thoughts on this product??? Next.... Next chapter Marty?
TLRandall	Oh yeah - Cnote, why do you care what TLRandall thinks of A/C thoughts on Mike's thoughts on this product??? Enquiring minds want to know!
Neal & Mary Ann Bardens	This is a interesting product. We use a similar product in our heat exchangers at work with good results. I for one am going to try it on one of my Kats. The biggest problem I have seen is the air flow in and around the engine on our cars. Gary is right in saying that venting helps. If you lower the engine compartment temperature you will lower the engine water temperature. Several people have suggested using water wetting agents like wetter water. The issue I see with that is that wetting agents contain caustic and corrosive chemicals. These chemicals are hard on aluminum, copper, brass, and carbon steel. When these chemicals are mixed with high heat over long periods of time they attack these metals. Neal ------------------